Magic Workstation

[Calbrenar]

Ok I love this program i registered it and I use it a ton.

One thing that HAS to be fixed is the shuffling in the game. It is fucking TERRIBLE.

I am constantly getting duplicates of cards that I only have 4 in together in my hand even after I shuffle literally 50 times before a game. Cards are always bunched together with similar titles right in a row.

There should also be an option to mana shuffle the deck (2 spells 1 land) and then shuffle it again normally after to more evenly distribute mana.

As it is out of every game we play that is fine the next 4 there is no mana drawn for either one of us or both of us.

Trust me when I say this is not common bad luck but rather that the shuffle is extremely unreliable no matter how many times you shuffle

[POTF]

I believe it is done right. It is done completely random. So shuffling once is like shuffling it hundred times.

If not it should be.

[brainwad]

There should be a real life shuffling option...

MWS Shuffle moves each of the 60 cards 60 times...
MODO shuffle moves each of the 60 cards 1 time...
Humans move around 20-40 cards 3-7 times...

See: MWS is better than we are, but we are better than MODO...
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[Detonator]

Hi, Calbrenar
Before 0.92 version I use shuffle algorithm from mathematical books - this simple algoritm for enought random deck shuffling (MODO use same algorithm). But i have complaints to shuffle. After 0.92 I make the same algorithm, but repeat it 60 times. This is true random shuffle. Or you want random when you have alternate cards in shuffled deck: (2 spell / 1 land)... ?

[DaDemon]

As I tell everyone on O-Gaming when they complain about the shuffler: STOP SHUFFLING 50 TIMES.

There's no reason to shuffle this many times. Try shuffling 2-4 times at max, and youll see that you get the same or better results.
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[El Bastardo]

[Calbrenar]

Well regardless of whether I shuffle once or multiple times I consistently get a card that is only in there 4 times all in a row which should be statistically impossible if the shuffler works.

In addition no mana draws are ridiculously common when you consider that with a true random shuffle you should get land 1 out of every 3 cards.

Obviously this isn't the case

[urza220]

[El Bastardo]

[ACE of SPADEs]

There must be a better shuffling method for MWSPlay and I'm sure they are working on it...but to have a shuffler that will "STACK" your deck is just dumb IMO.

I play in real life more than I do online because of my weird time limitations because of work, but when I do play in FNMs or somewhere, I tend to see the younger players "stacking" their decks (AKA Land Stacking) and all I do is just shuffle their decks vigorously. 9 out of 10 times, they will Mulligan at least 1 time. By Land Stacking or Stacking in general, you are setting up your deck to come out in a certain way and that is not "Random"...but I must agree that the online shuffler is quite odd compared to in real life situations.

So, if the Devs are allowing for such shuffling (possible stacking), then it would be wise to place in an option where the opponent can then shuffle the opponent's deck...

I know that what I propose may slow the game down (online playing is indeed slower than in real life), but if after the player shuffles his deck for whatever reason, be in Land Cycling, Sac Land or whatever, the MWSPlay should ask the opponent something like: "Would you like to shuffle your opponent's deck?" and the player would simply click YES or NO and then continue on...we have that REAL option in real life playing...if the online shuffling MAY conceal ways of cheating, then it will just raise hell later on when players accuse their opponents of cheating...when simply an option like this will clearly negate that idea.
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[Detonator]

If you have 20 lands in 60 card deck:
a) 1/20 chance to 6 lands in a row
b) 1/340 chance to 4 copies of the same card in a row
c) 1/5000 chance to 7 lands in start hand, but 1/21 chance to no lands in start hand
If you lucky, you seize this only chance

[urza220]

No matter how you try to justify it, any sort of land stacking isn't legal and takes away from an actually randomized deck. If you want to shuffle legally and get a good balance, you can try pile shuffling, which is legal. That is where you take your deck (already shuffled a bit in case you just scooped everything together after a game) and you start dealing out 4 facedown piles, alternating which pile you place the next card on, so that it separates all your clumps. This is usually done more than once, and followed by some more shuffling, I have found it to be very effective for producing an actually randomized deck. And more importantly, it's actually legal.

[Calbrenar]

My suggestion didn't say anything about stacking the deck . I said to mana shuffle it and then do a random shuffle. Just to spread the land out first.

[urza220]

It doesn't matter if you spread out the lands first if the shuffling is totally random. The starting order will not mean anything once a random shuffle is done. That is unless the shuffling algorithm really isn't that random, but I don't know about that.

[ACE of SPADEs]

The shuffling algorithm may not be all that random...but we'll soon see what the Devs will come up with.
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