Magic Workstation

KillaMarcilla · User Joined: 02 Jun 2003 Posts: 3

When Wizards of the Coast finds out about the fact that they're selling a program based on WotC's intellectual property, these poor fools are going to get crushed like ants..

They really ought to go the route of saying it's a program for any card game, and then having a third party make the data files that turn this into a M:tG program

(Also, they might want to take the Magic logo out of their site's banner..)
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METAL4ALL · Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 1:14 am Post subject:

"If you can´t stand the heat , get tha fu.. out of the kitchen"

Sorry, today I am a litte
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O MagicWorkStation dá um pontapé no cu do Apprentice , por isso faz como eu e manda cagar o Apprentice.

Junta-te á legião do MWS!!!!!!!!!!!

METAL4ALL do Clube Magic Setubal (www.magicsetubal.com)

KillaMarcilla · User Joined: 02 Jun 2003 Posts: 3

I don't get what you're saying

Are you saying I'm scared of something? That doesn't make any sense, if that's it
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rizwank · Registered User Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Posts: 68

Devs are russian, as far as I know, they are outside the reach of WoTC's IP laywers. The card info is publically available and a program to assist the playing of a game is legal afaik

KillaMarcilla · User Joined: 02 Jun 2003 Posts: 3

h0 h0, Russians, eh?

Excellent

The program is selling WotC's intellectual property, though, so is both illegal and immoral in the US
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Mephesto · User Joined: 27 May 2003 Posts: 31 Location: Las Vegas, NV

Well thank god there russian then because i cant afford to play Magic in real life and on there damn MTG online at the same time. As far as im concerned that was the most screwed up thing WoTC did.

I use online play to test deck ideas with cards i dont have so i know if i wanna actually spend the money can get the cards.

METAL4ALL · Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 6:35 am Post subject:

Sdeph5200 · User Joined: 15 Mar 2003 Posts: 6 Location: Kennesaw,GA

The only reason I would be remotly worried is if I were a registered user. Ya see, when/if WoTC manages to break through the continent barrier of law, the list of registered users will be retrieved. Now whether they could take action on the DEVELOPERS is in question, but whether they could take action on the registered users....is not

brainwad · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 4:21 pm Post subject:

This is all acedmic anyway because they cannot get sued:

1) MWS only uses text of cards in official distro.... it says in wizards legal corner that this is alright...
2) MWS only possibly violates one patent, being the Wizards exclusive patent on design of a *trading* card game.... but since, strictly speaking, MWS users do not trade cards, it would be a hard fight, even for WOTC...

AS far as I know, registered users cannot get sued for anything because they did not make the software... whether Special beta Testers could is another issue... although it would still be hard to prove that we actually do anything to change the code since they cannot get access to the SBT forum.
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Have you ever noticed how some flavor text has no relevance whatsoever to the card it's on?

rizwank · Registered User Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Posts: 68

They could not act on any users, including beta tests. If there is (c) infringment, it falls on the devs. If the beta testers somehow signed an NDA with WoTC if they are card testers or mtgo testers, then they could get in hot water, but only for that reason.

normanrs · User Joined: 12 Apr 2003 Posts: 1 Location: Colorado

Uh, if what you guys are saying is true then WOTC wouldn't have had any basis for shutting down Apprentice from Dragon Studios. But of course, as most of us know they did.

Apprentice users can't trade cards, and Apprentice only uses card text. It doesn't even use card art, which (I would think) would be subject to copywrite.

If the entire premise of Workstations' legality is that they are in Russia, well that doesn't offer much hope for long-term use of the program. Global intellectual property laws are moving along rather swiftly, and I wouldn't AT ALL be surprised if the Russian Fed enters into agreements for stricter international enforcement quite soon.

So I don't want to know that you guys think you can get away with it, I want to know HOW WOTC attacked Dragon Studios and why you guys think the same thing won't happen to you.

Sincerely,
Norm Schultz

conejas.com · Registered User Joined: 07 Mar 2003 Posts: 48

You know Wotc tried to kill the apprentice development, hahahaha, i said TRIED cos the could not. If not look at the development of App V. 2 . Wizards cannot do anything vs a program used as a cards database, without copyrighted images and texts, and cant do anything vs a game wich uses cards into a game scenario in wich you dont use copyrighted images and text. You can use images and texts, yeah, it is an open program in that way, but the programmers dont give those images to you, either the texts, either the mana symbols, etc, you can use any image or text you want to, so it is your risk. App has survived a lot of years, and has not been victim of any WOTC attack for soooooooo long, so, i can think that MWS will last a lot of time , maybe a lot of years untill Magic will cease of exist, maybe it will stand after magic will cease , i dunno. Time will tell us. Lets see and enjoy this program.

Only one more thing KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MEN!!! i really like it.

(sorry about my english)

CrazzyWizzard · Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 8:40 pm Post subject:

Please, do search on forum about copyrights issues. This question was discussed well. You can start from this link:

http://www.magicworkstation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=785

CrazzyWizzard · Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 11:43 pm Post subject:

... and please, remember: from version 1.0 MWS will support ANY kind of Collectible Card Games. MTG will be just one of many CCGs.

You will be able to create your own CCG, or download it from user sites.

Solaran_X · Registered User Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 17

This is all similiar to what recently happened between WizKids and the developers of the Battle Planner software for the Clix-based games. The software included all the copyrighted images and such ( miniature pictures, faction symbols, etc., etc ) with it when you downloaded it - which was copyright infringement. Apparently WizKids found out and approached the developers and told them to remove all copywritten data from the program - and basically left it a glorified $30 spreadsheet.

MWS escapes this in that the program you download contains nothing copywritten. A bare bones frame of the card, simple letter-based mana symbols ( the real ones are copywritten ), simple letter-based expansion symbols ( the real ones are copywritten ), Oracle-based game text ( uncopywritten ), no image ( copywritten, of course ), and no flavor text ( also copywritten ). As is, the program is 100% legal for distribution.

The infringement occurs AFTER the individual downloads the program, and downloads the copywritten material from third party sites. The developers merely left the program open to accept copywritten material, under the guise ( I assume ) of using your own images and such.